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Chris Kirec
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Username: Ck2

Post Number: 8
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

how worried is everyone about the possible bird flu outbreak? any divisions doing anything to prepare for a possible pandemic? how do people in the medical field feel bout a possible pandemic? just trying to see what people are thinking.

-Chris

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Hal Rowan
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Username: Hrowan

Post Number: 95
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SJA sits on the Region of Durhams Emergency Management Office (DEMO) planning committee. The health care professionals on the Board are very advanced in their planning towards this type of an outbreak. However there are still some gaps.

Concerns observed are:

With beds already filled to near capacity, where would you house additional patients?

How does this affect SJA:
- if they become strapped for space, SJA and Red Cross may end up doing the front end work of an off site reception center.

- We already saw SJA doing screenings during SARS and we were pretty strapped for people even then. Do we have enough MFRs to do this again?

Concern:
- It is possible that 25% of the population could be quarantined or ill. That means that 25% of EMS workers may be unavailable for their shifts.

How does this affect SJA:

- Is this something we can help with? Especially with limited MFAPs floating around. I had seen the opportunity of SJA running patient transfer services as a solution to this problem. The service would give our people experience in transporting non-critical patients, and the funding to acquire more MFAPs and equipment. This is already in another thread though.

- Remember that SJA will ALSO loose 25% of our volunteers for the same reason.

Concern:
- Since we loose 25% of the population that also means that transportation will be reduced by that much. Facilities were told that they should be self sufficient for basic supplies for about three weeks. It was noted that one hospital outsourced all of its linen cleaning to a facility that is about 25 minutes away. What do you do when you can no longer change all of your patients linen? Seems like a small issue, but when you think it through it makes you wonder.

How does this affect SJA:
- Do our SJA Units have three weeks of supplies available? Especially when demand goes through the roof when this hits our own Province and you can't just purchase masks, gowns and gloves right off the shelves?

I'd say I'm concerned, but only if Units are not taking this seriously. In the Toronto Star today it quotes the UN as saying that it could now hit North America in 6-12 months. After going through the live SARS scenario, I think SJA senior Unit Officers should be speaking directly to their counterparts in the Red Cross and Health Care who call on us, and make sure both sides of the table know what is expected of them and what everyone is capable of offering. Its too late to iron out details when it is already on top of us.
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William Woodstock
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Username: Wwoodstock

Post Number: 190
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, so what your saying is that there is an extreme potential that the bird flue is going to come to North American within that time period? Sorry, but to me thats a scary thought. Since we are part of the Emergency Planning what would we be doing exactly? It was sort of explained in the last posting but I'm not sure what it implies. Could this please be explained, as well as preventative measure our members will be taking like masks and gloves ect.....?
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Hal Rowan
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Username: Hrowan

Post Number: 96
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Locally we are updating what services we are capable of offering. Just because a service is offered in another part of the province (or in the past locally), doesn't necessarily mean that it is readily available here.

Each community needs to decide what services are available within an hour, eight hours and 24 hours. In an hour you might be able to: have a command center set up (an office accessible to all Officers with a computer, phone and fax) with SJA volunteers taking calls from outside SJA (taking in information and requests and reporting back what you are able to respond to) and setting up schedules to fill requests. In eight hours you might be able to have volunteers sent out to do screenings or assist with a reception center. In 24 hours you may be able to run your full response capability and all your volunteers scheduled in for shifts.

For specifics you need to ask your Officers what the plan is locally since they are the ones who have already decided what you will respond to and how. Your Unit is right beside mine, but perhaps your Unit can do more right away and the type of response may be different in the short term.
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Paul W. J. Irwin
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Username: Pirwin

Post Number: 137
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try this link and many sub links for updated information.

http://www.psepc-sppcc.gc.ca/dob/index-en.asp
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Chris Kirec
Junior Member
Username: Ck2

Post Number: 10
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

how worried are people that the Bird Flu will mutate with the common flu virus and then it will be unstoppable, say some scientists. How badly will this impact the day-to-day running of the country and the medical field?
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Michael Simpson
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Username: Mdsimpso

Post Number: 41
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The bird flu, pandemic planning, disasters. These are all thing that will have impact on us but as we have in the past and will do in the future we will over come the problem and make it through.

With that being said we still need to keep working on getting new members as a high priority to ensure we have the manpower required.

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Johnson Lai
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Username: Gundam

Post Number: 277
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I also, agree that yes, it will come, quite soon, within a few months or years. Also, it will pass and we will survive. But not with out victims and fatalities.

A very good example is our experiences with SARS. Just like SARS, in the East side of the world, Asian countries have been 10000 times more serious about containing, preventing, researching about how SARS is transmitted. Over here in North America, we still believe that SARS is NOT airbourne and not transmitted that way.

Anyone that has connections with Asia (China,HK, Thailand, Vietnam) where their TV stations report such SARS updates can tell you, HK has proven that their citizens of certain buildings had no connection in the tranmission of SARS via direct contact (or water) except through the wind direction and areas of units in a condo that got affected.

When SARS hit Canada, we were not serious in our containment, quaranteen, etc. Torontonians were on Pulse24 being interviewed saying "Oh, I'm supposed to be home right now, but as you can see, I'm shopping and I'm fine."

We do not take these Public Health quaranteens seriously. If we were in HK or China, we'd be jailed if you were walking around shopping at Yorkdale with a potential SARS exposure.

If quaranteened Bobby goes to a mall to meet Tom, then Tom goes back to school the next day. When Bobby starts to develop SARS symptoms, Tom's ENTIRE school now has to be contacted and quaranteed. Imagine, 30-35 students in a class multiply by how many grades, thats a few thousand children.


My comment is, for H5N1, we are not prepared at all. Our entire government should learn from other nations in their views of masks, following rules and such. Even as simple as wearing a mask if you have a cold to work. Just like China, Japan, Hong Kong citizens do. You would prevent so much more sickness. Anyone who works can tell you, once a coworker gets such, others around them start to get sick too. Right now, my work place has 4 people on sick leave.

And remember the rush and shortage of N95 masks? And how fast did SJA supply them to the members on duties ?

Let's learn from this and get prepared for the Pandemic. Experts from all the world agrees it is not a matter of IF, it is a matter of WHEN this Pandemic hits us.

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